Lisa talks with Julie Rose about her show, Top of Mind with Julie Rose. Then, we hear an episode of the show. Hundreds of parents volunteered their children as participants in the COVID-19 vaccine trials. To some of us, that seems like a crazy risk. But to those parents, it didn’t feel risky at all. The way that we think about risk is complex. It changes based on the situation, and it’s more arbitrary than we might want to admit. In this episode, we examine how people gauge risk, whether it’s in an everyday parenting situation or a death-defying rock climb, and we look at ways to bring more rationality into our risk-taking.